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Khuskan
05-11-2007, 05:10 PM
Don't kill yourselves just yet, it's not staying on this machine, I'm running it off the CD.
I never really knew what to make of linux, back in its early days it was just another domain operating system that I just couldn't get my head around, but now with this whole 'free' initiative, a totally free OS seemed a tempting option to try, especially because I've got an old laptop handy.
Its my dads old machine that he no longer needs, on account of his work providing him a brand new dual core laptop(!). He told me to fix it up to put in the kitchen for my mother, so I thought I'd have a play before I got to the dirty business of killdisking it and submitting to windows XP reinstall.
And you know what? I think I'll keep Ubuntu on the laptop. It's damned clean, has all the features that you could need for the 'tubes (firefox), image editing (gimp), office tools (OpenOffice) and music (rhythmbox).
That, and it's also linux. Even though i'm running it straight off CD at the moment, it's running as fast, if not faster than my Win XP install ever did. It's snappy and responsive, even when I was trying installing new software off its online software catalog (which again is totally free).
I'm not going to keep it on here, that would be silly. It does of course have all the compatibility problems with windows software. Wine works, but it's slower and not everything is supported, and incomparability with my sound card and no suitable graphics capabilities on my desktop stem it in gaming - but who's going to use a 1.7mhz laptop for gaming?
Bottom line? Give it a shot. It's totally free from here (http://www.ubuntu.com) as an ISO download (took me 20 minutes, you need to supply a CD to burn it on), or you can request a free CD (Takes a few weeks to actually show up) or purchase a cd/dvd for a very, very low price. You don't even need to install it as you can run it right off CD.
Oh but hl2 doesn't work that well on linux... yet.
Sol_Yurick
05-11-2007, 05:12 PM
I prefer sabayon or openSUSE, never really liked ubuntu that much.
Sayyan
05-11-2007, 05:14 PM
Ubuntu is my favourite desktop distro, centOS for my servers. You pretty much covered everything, except you didn't mention Gaybuntu and Ubuntu Christian Edition. OS's tailored towards different communities. :D
gamerxr72
05-11-2007, 05:15 PM
I've always liked Ubuntu.
I was going to put it on my server once I get it. By server, I mean a $100 piece of shit acting as my router, web server, and ftp server.
That's the crazy thing about Linux - once it's up and running it is in fact incredibly easy to use, and really quite fast. Ubuntu is the first distribution to have put the effort in to appeal to non-hardcore types with a nice, accessible install process. Of course, there's a flipside, if you ever find yourself in the support forums or IRC channels you'll see them full of "I HAEV TUX KILLING BIL GATS AS MY DESKTOP AM I DOING THIS RITE!!!?!?!?1!?!?!?!1".
The distribution I use, Gentoo, still doesn't have a graphical installer. It's highly elitist, keeps all the technological chavs out.
Nocashvalue
05-11-2007, 08:23 PM
I've had ubuntu lurking on this hdd for quite a while now - Dapper Drake.
It's lovely to use, just, as ever, the problem is the difficulty in installing windows apps or apps that you take for granted in windows :(
Sayyan
05-11-2007, 08:30 PM
Slackware is fun, but not great as a desktop distribution.
porc-épic
05-11-2007, 08:34 PM
Developer dairies?
Does photoshop work with it?
jack slayton
05-11-2007, 08:56 PM
I'm using Linux for about a year or something now.
I started off with Ubuntu because its easy to install and handle but i think Ubuntu installs many things you dont ever need (e.g. Bluetooth and stuff like that) and this makes the system slow and idly.
I switched to Debain now and its the best distro i've ever had (Ubuntu, XUbuntu, SuSE, Fedora Core ...)
Its not as slow as Ubuntu and comes without the software you would never use (as long as you only install the main system and install the x- and desktop-system from console).
I personally think Linux is the better OS.
It has many great ideas implemented, the only problem is that the "industry" produces its games n stuff for windows because its the most used OS and the most kids grow up with it (vicious cyrcle) :(
bb
jack
Nocashvalue
05-11-2007, 09:02 PM
Developer dairies?
Does photoshop work with it?
It's not difficult to install photoshop under Wine, just takes time :/
@jack slayton: Yeah, it happens with a lot of things - take iPods for example. As much as the forum seems to loathe them, there's no denying they're the most popular mp3 player around. Because of this, more companies make peripherals for it because there is a larger market and thus more chance of a sale. The larger amount of peripherals adds another incentive to the ipod, so more people buy it over competition, which makes more incentive blah blah ;(
The only way linux will get more widely adopted is if a big name in software (adobe, EA etc) decides to support it :(
Bucky!
05-11-2007, 09:13 PM
Khuskan, you might want to try Ubuntu Studio, a distro designed for music and sound engineers
Mirrors: http://www.ubustu.com/
Website: http://ubuntustudio.org/
Info:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Studio
PartsCollector
05-11-2007, 09:43 PM
I've had a box with Fedora Core 2 on it for years (gotta run my GNU services on somethin').
Please tell me this distro isn't all about the installer... :rolleyes: That's kinda lame IMO.
Nocashvalue
05-11-2007, 10:08 PM
I've had a box with Fedora Core 2 on it for years (gotta run my GNU services on somethin').
Please tell me this distro isn't all about the installer... :rolleyes: That's kinda lame IMO.
It's incredibly easy to use, even for people new to linux (ie me), but you can also delve a little deeper into terminal etc and do all the normal linux stuff if you want.
KGtheway2B
05-11-2007, 11:48 PM
Don't kill yourselves just yet,
/me pulls knife halfway back out of neck...
"Crap."
1.7mhz laptop for gaming?
Hmm, 1.7mhz, you mean 1.7ghz? cause thats awfually slow, and would never run even pacman on it :P.
cellarmation
05-12-2007, 01:02 AM
I use ubuntu too. I set up my thunderbird and firefox profiles on a shared fat32 so i can get my emails and bookmarks whatever os i am on. I imagine one day i will just use Linux, but its a while off yet.
Ubuntu here also, yet I had some trouble installing wine. Might think to buy mysleft a good book teaching me how to use the terminal.
I managed to install steam, make it run, but didn't manage to play the games. AND
there's a major problem I had with ubuntu, it doesn't seem to have normal refresh rates, when I scroll down a page it ain't smooth at all.
So overall, yeah Linux is way better than any windows availible, only but it isn't completely compatible with all the windows-designed stuff yet. You have to do some tweaking, which is the part I'm not good at :P
Oh, and there's an interesting feature I've heard of, seems there's a way to program wine so it reads directly off the steam directory.
If anyone has managed to make HL2 run this way, let me know how ! :P
Polygon
05-12-2007, 07:03 AM
i imagine that even if you do get hl2 or any source mods to run on wine, the performance would be crap anyway. I can get steam working perfectly but games like css and hl2 just crash ont eh loading screen.
ubuntu here also. represent!
Pincus
05-12-2007, 07:15 AM
You will need WINE. Whenever I am in a linux os, I can't live without it.
I've been using Linux for five years now, and I've never touched WINE.
Khuskan
05-12-2007, 08:34 AM
Khuskan, you might want to try Ubuntu Studio, a distro designed for music and sound engineers
Mirrors: http://www.ubustu.com/
Website: http://ubuntustudio.org/
Info:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Studio
Read the bit about it not working with my soundcard :P
I'm using Ubuntu Feisty right now, and I use Cedega to play HL2 mods.
jack slayton
05-12-2007, 02:27 PM
I've been using Linux for five years now, and I've never touched WINE.
I dont like this whole WINE thing too.
I think running programs on the OS which they are made for is the best way.
bb marcel
Sauce
05-12-2007, 02:41 PM
haha i was just looking into ubuntu the other day, was gonna order the cd but seeings as i got some spare downloads this month, im gonna download it overnight.
then i'll order the cd when I've tried it out :P theres just something about having the original cd... :)
Bucky!
05-12-2007, 02:57 PM
Read the bit about it not working with my soundcard :P
Damn... must have missed that bit.....
mc_nebula
05-12-2007, 02:59 PM
I regularly use Ubuntu and I use DSL (Damn Small Linux) at college (even though Im not ment to...
I log into my user area, plug in my usb and run it in a virtual environment. I can do so much more and use extra programs. I also have open office suite on my USB... Great for school/college/work
FuzionMonkey
05-12-2007, 05:54 PM
I tried using ubuntu livecd but it doesnt work with my graphics card (8800gtx). I guess the graphical installer doesnt work with recent gpus.
DJ_Monkey_Pilot
05-12-2007, 06:30 PM
I found the graphical installer didn't work with my GFX card, I will have to try the text based installer when I get around to it.
Sayyan
05-12-2007, 06:48 PM
I have Ubuntu installed on this machine (7900GTS) but I haven't tried it on my other machine with the 8800. It might work if you use VMWare, although I doubt it.
Da Jeevs
05-12-2007, 10:19 PM
I regularly use Ubuntu and I use DSL (Damn Small Linux) at college (even though Im not ment to...
I log into my user area, plug in my usb and run it in a virtual environment. I can do so much more and use extra programs. I also have open office suite on my USB... Great for school/college/work
You cant connect to the internet like that though?
I've been using Linux for five years now, and I've never touched WINE.
How you run SF then ?
Hmm, dual boot I guess, that's the only working solution I've found :S
mc_nebula
05-13-2007, 09:21 AM
You cant connect to the internet like that though?
You mean with DSL?
Actually, I can, thats the great thing...It is on my USB and requires no restart. It runs windowed INSIDE windows, I thing you call it a "virtual environment" All I need to do then, is tell firefox in DSL my colleges proxy server settings which you can find out with the app "proxyget.exe made by John haller, the portable apps guy.
Simple realy... There are people around college who boot from USB into a virttual copy of XP home and I have seen people using Virtual Mac... IT dont like it and will throw you out of the IT room if they catch you but you can have a good argument on why they dont use Ubuntu in college (free, easy maintainance, FREE, did I mention, its fast)
yea, I can get the tubes up..
Da Jeevs
05-13-2007, 10:30 AM
I might try it, how big a memory stick would you need for the win xp home?
entRo
05-15-2007, 03:27 AM
I tried Ubuntu out from the live CD, and it was pretty cool. Tried to do a full install, and I got "error 21" when I restarted. Guess it's a fairly common problem, but I'm back on XP for now.
Bummer.
I have really mixed feelings about Ubuntu. Overall, it's a very good thing for the linux desktop movement. My only concern is that too many people are beginning to think of Linux and Ubuntu are synonymous the way morons would see the words monitor, computer, mouse, hard disk, and Windows as all synonymous. It's overly hyped for what it is, so it's a toss up.
SwiftSpear
05-15-2007, 03:41 AM
Isn't Ubuntu basically a bloated ugly "3D desktop experience"?
I don't know my lunix build's very well... They all work fairly similarly, they just look kind of different from my nubbish experience.
entRo
05-15-2007, 03:53 AM
I think Ubuntu is generally more eye-pleasing than Windows, but that's just me.
SwiftSpear
05-15-2007, 03:58 AM
I think Ubuntu is generally more eye-pleasing than Windows, but that's just me.
Oh, wow, great accomplishment Ubuntu! :D
Honestly, I do not find Ubuntu more eye pleasing. A well skinned KDE desktop on top of Ubuntu? Sure. Ubuntu with GNOME? Nah.
Kellsch
05-15-2007, 04:06 AM
For all the "It's so easy to switch to ubuntu, look how easy we made it." talk, I still haven't managed to find ANY linux distribution that will support WPA-PSK authentication for a wireless network. I'd use linux a lot except for the fact that I MUST use WPA-PSK authentication to access my wireless network and I CANNOT use something like MAC filtering instead.
I've heard of using NDIS wrapper and I'd try that except for the fact that I don't know how. Furthermore, the geniuses that made it decided for whatever reason to make their help file "Go to www.ndiswrapper.com for support". Seems to me you shouldn't put all of your FAQ/help stuff online if you make a tool to help people get online in the first place.
For all the "It's so easy to switch to ubuntu, look how easy we made it." talk, I still haven't managed to find ANY linux distribution that will support WPA-PSK authentication for a wireless network. I'd use linux a lot except for the fact that I MUST use WPA-PSK authentication to access my wireless network and I CANNOT use something like MAC filtering instead.
I've heard of using NDIS wrapper and I'd try that except for the fact that I don't know how. Furthermore, the geniuses that made it decided for whatever reason to make their help file "Go to www.ndiswrapper.com for support". Seems to me you shouldn't put all of your FAQ/help stuff online if you make a tool to help people get online in the first place.
You're stupid if you can't make WPA-PSK work.
You're also stupid if you trust the distrobution to handle it for you.
Sayyan
05-15-2007, 11:26 AM
If you're going to use Ubuntu, use Kubuntu, it's a LOT more pleasing the Gnome, personally. (It comes with KDE rather than Gnome)
Sauce
05-16-2007, 07:44 AM
Finally got the cd working, first time i downloaded it it got cut short at 50%. Redownloaded and launched the live cd which was pretty cool, dabbled about for a bit, etc.
its a pity that the default media player software doesnt support mp3 though... :(
@entRo: tried the "check cd for errors" option?
Nocashvalue
05-16-2007, 10:37 AM
Finally got the cd working, first time i downloaded it it got cut short at 50%. Redownloaded and launched the live cd which was pretty cool, dabbled about for a bit, etc.
its a pity that the default media player software doesnt support mp3 though... :(
@entRo: tried the "check cd for errors" option?
Totem is a big pile of wank, and they can't include formats like mp3 from the word go because of copyright reasons.
There's plenty of tutuorials on how to get mp3's to play in Totem, but I'd just get xmms - it's like a linux version of winamp.
sudo apt-get install xmms
arenaceous
05-16-2007, 12:47 PM
vlc/ video lan - pwn for all file file formats and os
RedXIII^
05-16-2007, 09:46 PM
Zoom Player = own.
Khuskan
05-17-2007, 08:31 AM
I think Ubuntu is generally more eye-pleasing than Windows, but that's just me.
Aero > Ubuntu.
Problem is, you need to have vista to get aero. Big downside.
Bucky!
05-17-2007, 05:14 PM
Aqua > Aero
FuzionMonkey
05-20-2007, 05:47 AM
Aqua > Aero
No.
Khuskan
05-20-2007, 10:09 AM
Aqua > Aero
Aero is beautiful, and don't you deny it.
RedXIII^
05-20-2007, 02:00 PM
Aqua > Aero
Show me :)
kaidus
05-20-2007, 08:20 PM
So I'm running a marathon. It's quite good.
Sauce
05-21-2007, 06:38 AM
So I'm running a marathon. It's quite good.
I ran 4km yesterday :)
It felt good.
entRo
05-21-2007, 07:22 AM
Aero > Ubuntu.
Problem is, you need to have vista to get aero. Big downside.
No you don't. There's various programs that will make XP look just like Aero. It's alright, but I didn't like it that much.
Yes, you do. The various programs make it look just like Aero.
To actually get Aero, you need Vista.
Oshitugotpwned.
entRo
05-21-2007, 07:50 AM
He was talking about how Aero looks. Programs for XP can emulate it pretty much exactly.. so why would you need Vista to experience Aero?
IactoSophos
05-21-2007, 03:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPlertKj2i8
I've used both. I prefer Ubuntu (with beryl which is a 90mb download or something)
Khuskan
05-21-2007, 04:17 PM
He was talking about how Aero looks. Programs for XP can emulate it pretty much exactly.. so why would you need Vista to experience Aero?
They can simulate the theme, but not effects like the glow, blur etc.
Either way, as much as I want to burn my own eyes out with glowing skewers, I'm starting to prefer vista to XP. Sure, it had teething problems, but yeah, I like it.
Especially office 2007.
Oh and how ATI graphics drivers have been reworked from the ground up for it and actually improve FPS in most games over XP.
RedXIII^
05-21-2007, 04:19 PM
Dude.
Fuck vista.
:)
TommieV
05-21-2007, 05:41 PM
Office 2007 is ok, except for some fucking flaws that have been in there since the beginning. It are a bunch of monkeys that develop this. They put all new stuff in but yet cant even bother to solve simple bugs!
Sayyan
05-21-2007, 05:55 PM
Especially office 2007.
Office 2007 has worked fine on XP since the early betas, the Technical Refresh had some weird bugs, but it was like Steams blob file, you just delete it and it's fixed.
Khuskan
05-21-2007, 10:02 PM
Office 2007 is ok, except for some fucking flaws that have been in there since the beginning. It are a bunch of monkeys that develop this. They put all new stuff in but yet cant even bother to solve simple bugs!
sf2 development.
IactoSophos
05-21-2007, 10:51 PM
Quote For Truth right there...
Partly due to the hypocritical nature of mr Tommie
TommieV
05-22-2007, 04:38 PM
I hoped nobody would made that connection :O
crap.
Fox318
05-26-2007, 12:14 AM
Felt like adding..
I've tried out Xubuntu on on of my crappy PCs and I loved it! It ran fast and stable. So that's about all my Linux experience.
As for aero it looks fantastic! Eventually it will be copied perfectly on Linux but until then most users can still brag about Beryl....right
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/861/showoff1do4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2020/showoff2io9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6091/showoff3wd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Maybe not.
Look, I love Linux and as soon as I can switch knowing everything will run on it I definitely will, until then I have vista and man...it looks good. I'm currentally trying to get it to look similar to this
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/104/291238303_7a6d4b5bf3_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/268211895_d37ede7937_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/99/283163458_b35c4da377_b.jpg
Vista can look cooler, you just need to work on it.
Nocashvalue
05-26-2007, 12:19 AM
HOLY FUCKING GIANT SCREENSHOTS, BATMAN!
RedXIII^
05-26-2007, 12:39 AM
They look cool anyway :)
Sayyan
05-26-2007, 01:00 AM
Every time I see this topic title, I just hear hobbes saying "No your nawt."
Fox318
05-26-2007, 01:01 AM
Oh... I forgot! If people want Beryl on XP or Vista try Yodem3d (http://chsalmon.club.fr/index.php?en/Download)
Bucky!
05-26-2007, 07:31 AM
Beryls nice, but i used it once and i didn't find it that useful... it was too over the top
Khuskan
05-26-2007, 09:22 AM
Beryls nice, but i used it once and i didn't find it that useful... it was too over the top
Thats what I was litterally about to say.
Pitched Black
05-29-2007, 03:06 AM
I've been using Ubuntu exclusively for about a year on my laptop. There was a huge amount to learn at first but the more I used it, the more I liked it.
I also tried Vista exclusively on my desktop for a few months. It's really nice looking but the more I used it, the more I hated it.
Both can be made to look better and programs can be made for each that can't be run on the other (but Windows programs might work with wine). In my opinion, using a distribution of linux for anything you don't absolutely need Windows for is a huge investment in how the future of technology will go. Using Windows is the easier way but linux is the better way.
I have downloaded Ubunto, but i'm waiting till my next format to install it. I have never used linux before. I love the fact that its free
Polygon
05-29-2007, 04:28 AM
once more companies that make games get off their ass and start following ID's and Epic's lead to make their game engine be able to work with more then just windows, the more people (like me) can finally get rid of windows without having to get rid of the ability of being able to play their games.
Khuskan
05-29-2007, 07:52 AM
I have downloaded Ubunto, but i'm waiting till my next format to install it. I have never used linux before. I love the fact that its free
You realise you can try it right now by putting the CD into your drive and booting from it?
Pastori
05-29-2007, 10:54 AM
gtfo my forums OOH WINDOWS VISTA AERO THEME fags. All it does is slow your computer down.
IactoSophos
05-29-2007, 12:14 PM
once more companies that make games get off their ass and start following ID's and Epic's lead to make their game engine be able to work with more then just windows, the more people (like me) can finally get rid of windows without having to get rid of the ability of being able to play their games.
You're fucking slow. introversion have been doing it for years (http://introversion.co.uk). Also with mac ports as well. Buy them all!
master_czar
05-29-2007, 04:13 PM
I have been thinking of getting Linux for my server. Perhaps I should. I hear many great things about it.
Polygon
05-29-2007, 06:18 PM
You're fucking slow. introversion have been doing it for years (http://introversion.co.uk). Also with mac ports as well. Buy them all!
Yes i know that there are some companies that are cool and release linux/mac ports (blizzard also does this, they release mac ports and supposedly they had a linux port of world of warcraft ready, just never released cause they didnt think there would be enough demand to warrant the trouble of supporting it)
that still doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of games are windows only... a few have mac ports... and even fewer have linux ports.
but i may get uplink as thats a pretty cool looking game.
halfwhit
05-29-2007, 07:22 PM
Uplink is an amazing game! Its so fustrating when your caugth though :p
Eldar220
05-29-2007, 08:00 PM
Yes i know that there are some companies that are cool and release linux/mac ports (blizzard also does this, they release mac ports and supposedly they had a linux port of world of warcraft ready, just never released cause they didnt think there would be enough demand to warrant the trouble of supporting it)
that still doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of games are windows only... a few have mac ports... and even fewer have linux ports.
but i may get uplink as thats a pretty cool looking game.
Cause Macs suck asshole
EDIT: Linux doesn't suck only Macs
Khuskan
05-29-2007, 08:03 PM
Cause MACs suck asshole
Only get a mac if you like photoshop, flash and all the awesome music software made for it.
Oh and warcraft 3.
Eldar220
05-29-2007, 08:10 PM
Only get a mac if you like photoshop, flash and all the awesome music software made for it.
Oh and warcraft 3.
Warcraft 3 runs great on my PC..........
I could care less about photoshop and flash stuff I don't really spend much time looking up flash-games and movies..............
I also would rather learn how to play an instrument myself then be lazy and make it with a computer program........
EDIT: Most people I know don't waste time plaing flash-games and everyone I know hate Macs too
So don't start telling me I'm wrong because everyone loves Macs or some crap like that
Monty
05-29-2007, 08:46 PM
Only get a mac if you like photoshop, flash and all the awesome music software made for it.
Oh and warcraft 3.
Photoshop works just as well on a pc as a mac. The music shit is the only reason.
Nocashvalue
05-29-2007, 09:10 PM
Photoshop works just as well on a pc as a mac. The music shit is the only reason.
It's actually a lot nicer to use on a Mac, because of OS X and the few minor differences between the PC version and the Mac version ;O 8)
Monty
05-30-2007, 12:39 AM
It's actually a lot nicer to use on a Mac, because of OS X and the few minor differences between the PC version and the Mac version ;O 8)
I work for a photographer editing photos all day on a mac. I come home to my pc. Both are about the same, don't really think either one is better.
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